After a while this voice came into our headphones, "Stephen, that snare drum is......well, is there another sound instead?" Stephen tried playing the rim of the drum. "That's better. Can you make it sound more like metal?" For the next 20 minutes, Stephen went through a number of different sounds. He played the side of the drum with a brush. He tried scraping the drum. He used a metal mallet. He tried a music stand. He tried a break-drum. An old stand up ashtray. Finally they settled on him playing the big heavy base of a mic stand turned upside down on top of the standing ashtray with a ball peed hammer as a mallet. We started jamming on that for a while.